I don’t know how many years it’s been since I first met and connected with Seth and Amber. We’ve circled each other at various writer’s events and conferences over the last 10+ years, and having read their books and kept in touch with them via blog comments and social media, I have been grateful for the way they show up real and honest in a world that makes it all too tempting to be someone besides oneself.
Today is the launch day for their brand new book, The Deep Down Things, and I am so happy to have had the opportunity to sit down with the two of them for an interview for the latest episode of Refine{d} the podcast. We covered lot of ground in this interview, reflecting on grief, hope, the value of embodied faith practices, losing community and more. It was a gift-of-a-conversation.
On his Substack the other day,
Seth wrote,“The book finds Amber in dark days, the days after she fled from an unhealthy and abusive Anglican priest. Writing in and through that pain, Amber has offered some of her most honest writing…”
He described the book this way,
“In The Deep Down Things, Amber and I explore what it means to cultivate hope in times of despair, to grow it with intention like you would a row of sweet corn. We look at the lives of the Saints—both the canonized and non-canonized—and ask, “How did they find hope in their own seasons of despair?”
As of this writing, I am stalking my mailbox for my pre-ordered copy to arrive, so while I don’t have the book in hand yet, I do have a video of our conversation. For the first time ever, and in celebration of their book launch, I am sharing the video of that recorded podcast episode.
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